Wa’alaikum salaam warahmatullah, Dear brother Rajeef,
Sub: Refutation See, here you are trying to bluffing me by saying (whereas your mail is nothing but your kalaam. It seems you have high regards for your self... "I have attacked the troid... I have exposed it...") Let me ask you; what about you?! How did you reach a conclusion on me as to say; your attachment "Salafism exposed" did expose to me that you favour or belong to KNM group. Do you get any message from Allah or any of your Sheike passes it to you?! Or do you think those who criticize your deviant group all are KNM?! Don’t think all people are dissipate like you.
The most unfortunate thing is that you do not have any regards to the truth as I have very clearly ‘exposed’ the deviant beliefs of troid in Aqeeda with the Qur’an and Hadith. What it means you will not believe on the mistakes they have committed until your favorite scholars expose it for you. Is it not the real Hizbiya? If not, what you mean by Hizbiya?!
Again I would repeat here, you are trying to mislead the readers with the ill gotten devilish intentions. Otherwise bring proof, which SALAFI MASHAYKHS said democracy as worshipping of the majority, democracy is a major shirk, maududi was in correct in Aqeeda etc (I said nothing from myself I just quoted the SALAFI MASHAYKHS.) and also you have to tell me what is wrong with my kalaam if it is not contradict with Qur’an and Sunna?!!
Most of the Muslims have some misconception about Bidha. Those who are blabby about Hizbiya, Sunna, and Bidha etc are seemed to be encircled with this unfortunate scenario profoundly. They misinterpreted everything which was not existed during the time of ‘people of the best of nation, as Bid’ah but the same time certain aspects are conveniently overlooking without such a considerations.
Definition of bid’ah.
Shaykh Muhammad ibn ‘Uthaymeen (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: “According to sharee’ah, the definition is ‘Worshipping Allaah in ways that Allaah has not prescribed.’ If you wish you may say, ‘Worshipping Allaah in ways that are not those of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) or his rightly guided successors (al-khulafaa’ al-raashidoon).’”
The first definition is taken from the aayah (interpretation of the meaning):
“Or have they partners with Allaah (false gods) who have instituted for them a religion which Allaah has not ordained?” [al-Shooraa 42:21]
So everyone who worships Allaah in a manner that Allaah has not prescribed or in a manner that is not in accordance with the way of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) or his rightly-guided successors (al-khulafa’ al-raashidoon), is an innovator, whether that innovated worship has to do with the names and attributes of Allaah, or to do with His rulings and laws.
With regard to ordinary matters of habit and custom, these are not called bid’ah (innovation) in Islam, even though they may be described as such in linguistic terms. But they are not innovations in the religious sense, and these are not the things that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) was warning us against.
(Majmoo’ Fataawa Ibn ‘Uthaymeen, vol. 2, p. 291)Dear brother Rajeef, now you have to tell me, how could you consider democracy as a bid’ah?! Do you think it is a matter of Deen? Like an Ibaadha? Have you not considering Sheikh Muhammad ibn ‘Uthaymeen as a great scholar since I didn’t see his name in your MASHEIKE list?! He has vey clearly stated what is Bid’ah in Islam. Let me ask you some pertinent questions for your clarifications. If you didn’t surrender your brain to anybody please try to reply.
1. It is irreverent to discuss about the merits and demerits of democracy here since as I made it clear before, all pious and God fearing Muslims all over the world unanimously believe that Islam is the only solution for every problems of the world and alike, Islamic law and jurisprudence as a governing system for Muslims. But beyond this subject there are important issues to be considered like what is Shirk in Islam similarly what Bid’ah in Islam is? Does the democracy, Secularism, Monarchy etc could be considered a Bid’ah or Shirk? If the answer is yes, as the so called anti Hizbi group claims, what is the proof for that from the Qur’an and Sunna?
2. Maulan Maududi had developed certain terminologies like Deen means state, Ilaah means Ruler of the state, Ibaadha means obedience to the ruler etc to declare democracy and secularism is a system of Taghoot and Shirk. But so far we Muslims could not understand why these so called anti Hizbiya group, your group, calling democracy is a Shirk, Bid’ah etc. I have read somewhere Maududi was one of renowned scholar for gulf salafees (?) and he was awarded with king Faizal award too. More over him was one of founder members of Madeena University. Dear Rajeef even it is not a matter of our discussion however for your information do you know who were exposed Maududi’s Aqeeda to the Salafi Scholars? (earnestly not by me)
Why it is only democracy?!! Is monarchy or kingdom from Islam? Please bring some of the fatwa of scholars on the same before going to declare Muslims live in democratic states as Bid’ahees. Recently there was news in Gulf Madhyamam about the fatwa of grand Mufti and others as ordering Muslims all over the world that lives in un-Islamic countries, to participate in election, voting etc. if it is true, they strictly supporting instead of discouraging Muslims from cooperating with un-Islamic state. 3. Can you bring any single proof from any MASHEIKS, who used to give naseeha to the Indian Muslims and others, as saying about the leaders and scholars of Ahle Hadhess and as well as Salfees in Kerala were supporting and fighting against the British rule for establish a system of Bid’ah in Islam.
My clarifications for your questionsI think so far you didn’t understand what Salafi Manhaj is. We Muslims believe that if something very clear from Qur’an and Sunna that is sufficient for a Muslim to understand Islam Deen. We look into the ‘people of best of nation’ to know about their methodology that they used to interpret and understand Qur’an and Sunna. Nowhere either in Qur’an or Sunna said that Muslims all over the world must follow such and such scholars ‘blindly and unconditionally’. Islam has given stringent certain preconditions for every pious and God fearing Muslims while acquiring knowledge from even any ‘big scholars’ as beloved prophet salallahu wa alyi wasalam said obedience only in goodness not in falseness/ evil.
We Muslims believe that there was only one maasoom/infallible i.e. non other than prophet salallahu wa alayi wasalam. Whoever it may be, whether it is x or y or sheik or Masheike, they are not free from mistakes/sin. By keeping all respect to the scholars, if their sayings/actions are found to be contradicted with the Qur’an or Sunna, Muslims who love Allah and His Deen will reject it and accept the truth.
It is not mandatory for Muslims to obey any scholar or even our beloved parents or children if their opinion, views etc are against Qur’an and Sunna. Instead of looking to scholar’s opinion Muslims have to see what Qur’an and Sunna says. But in contrary to the fact Muslims have been blindly following the opinions of Scholars. This is one of the main reasons for the existing Madhabi system among contemporary Muslims. They will accept only the views of their Sheiks but the same time their sheiks are not free from mistakes or infallible. So that, by accepting the views of the sheik in blindly they will adopt their mistakes also in their life. Its consequences may differ depend upon the seriousness of the mistakes of the Sheiks/ scholars (as you seen in Troid). Because of this reason Salafi movement in all over the world urge Muslims to go back to Qur’an and Sunna. Those who want to follow the manhaj of salaf they have to see first what the Qur’an and Sunna said and how did our pious predecessors understand that. Those who follow this methodology/ manhaj to understand Qur’an and Sunna can be called a Salafi. It is not a group of particular people gathered together in a place but you might see them every corner of the world. They could be identified by their methodology in understanding and interpreting Qur’an and Sunna as our pious predecessors had done.
I hope you have presumed the answer regarding the question on scholars. I hereby attach my previous reply to your group member as titled ‘Muslims, Democracy and Manhaju salaf’. Instead of asking which scholar said it, ask in which chapter, verse said it and in which hadith it’s mentioned and did Sahaba understood the same etc. if my views are against any Ahlu Sunna wa jamaah scholars then bring it into my notice. You are most welcome to point out my mistakes, with a great enthusiasm I would correct it Insha’Allah.
May Allah save the Muslim community from every sort of partisanship to any Scholar, organization and strengthen us with useful knowledge.
Mammedutty Nilambur
Sub: Refutation See, here you are trying to bluffing me by saying (whereas your mail is nothing but your kalaam. It seems you have high regards for your self... "I have attacked the troid... I have exposed it...") Let me ask you; what about you?! How did you reach a conclusion on me as to say; your attachment "Salafism exposed" did expose to me that you favour or belong to KNM group. Do you get any message from Allah or any of your Sheike passes it to you?! Or do you think those who criticize your deviant group all are KNM?! Don’t think all people are dissipate like you.
The most unfortunate thing is that you do not have any regards to the truth as I have very clearly ‘exposed’ the deviant beliefs of troid in Aqeeda with the Qur’an and Hadith. What it means you will not believe on the mistakes they have committed until your favorite scholars expose it for you. Is it not the real Hizbiya? If not, what you mean by Hizbiya?!
Again I would repeat here, you are trying to mislead the readers with the ill gotten devilish intentions. Otherwise bring proof, which SALAFI MASHAYKHS said democracy as worshipping of the majority, democracy is a major shirk, maududi was in correct in Aqeeda etc (I said nothing from myself I just quoted the SALAFI MASHAYKHS.) and also you have to tell me what is wrong with my kalaam if it is not contradict with Qur’an and Sunna?!!
Most of the Muslims have some misconception about Bidha. Those who are blabby about Hizbiya, Sunna, and Bidha etc are seemed to be encircled with this unfortunate scenario profoundly. They misinterpreted everything which was not existed during the time of ‘people of the best of nation, as Bid’ah but the same time certain aspects are conveniently overlooking without such a considerations.
Definition of bid’ah.
Shaykh Muhammad ibn ‘Uthaymeen (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: “According to sharee’ah, the definition is ‘Worshipping Allaah in ways that Allaah has not prescribed.’ If you wish you may say, ‘Worshipping Allaah in ways that are not those of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) or his rightly guided successors (al-khulafaa’ al-raashidoon).’”
The first definition is taken from the aayah (interpretation of the meaning):
“Or have they partners with Allaah (false gods) who have instituted for them a religion which Allaah has not ordained?” [al-Shooraa 42:21]
So everyone who worships Allaah in a manner that Allaah has not prescribed or in a manner that is not in accordance with the way of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) or his rightly-guided successors (al-khulafa’ al-raashidoon), is an innovator, whether that innovated worship has to do with the names and attributes of Allaah, or to do with His rulings and laws.
With regard to ordinary matters of habit and custom, these are not called bid’ah (innovation) in Islam, even though they may be described as such in linguistic terms. But they are not innovations in the religious sense, and these are not the things that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) was warning us against.
(Majmoo’ Fataawa Ibn ‘Uthaymeen, vol. 2, p. 291)Dear brother Rajeef, now you have to tell me, how could you consider democracy as a bid’ah?! Do you think it is a matter of Deen? Like an Ibaadha? Have you not considering Sheikh Muhammad ibn ‘Uthaymeen as a great scholar since I didn’t see his name in your MASHEIKE list?! He has vey clearly stated what is Bid’ah in Islam. Let me ask you some pertinent questions for your clarifications. If you didn’t surrender your brain to anybody please try to reply.
1. It is irreverent to discuss about the merits and demerits of democracy here since as I made it clear before, all pious and God fearing Muslims all over the world unanimously believe that Islam is the only solution for every problems of the world and alike, Islamic law and jurisprudence as a governing system for Muslims. But beyond this subject there are important issues to be considered like what is Shirk in Islam similarly what Bid’ah in Islam is? Does the democracy, Secularism, Monarchy etc could be considered a Bid’ah or Shirk? If the answer is yes, as the so called anti Hizbi group claims, what is the proof for that from the Qur’an and Sunna?
2. Maulan Maududi had developed certain terminologies like Deen means state, Ilaah means Ruler of the state, Ibaadha means obedience to the ruler etc to declare democracy and secularism is a system of Taghoot and Shirk. But so far we Muslims could not understand why these so called anti Hizbiya group, your group, calling democracy is a Shirk, Bid’ah etc. I have read somewhere Maududi was one of renowned scholar for gulf salafees (?) and he was awarded with king Faizal award too. More over him was one of founder members of Madeena University. Dear Rajeef even it is not a matter of our discussion however for your information do you know who were exposed Maududi’s Aqeeda to the Salafi Scholars? (earnestly not by me)
Why it is only democracy?!! Is monarchy or kingdom from Islam? Please bring some of the fatwa of scholars on the same before going to declare Muslims live in democratic states as Bid’ahees. Recently there was news in Gulf Madhyamam about the fatwa of grand Mufti and others as ordering Muslims all over the world that lives in un-Islamic countries, to participate in election, voting etc. if it is true, they strictly supporting instead of discouraging Muslims from cooperating with un-Islamic state. 3. Can you bring any single proof from any MASHEIKS, who used to give naseeha to the Indian Muslims and others, as saying about the leaders and scholars of Ahle Hadhess and as well as Salfees in Kerala were supporting and fighting against the British rule for establish a system of Bid’ah in Islam.
My clarifications for your questionsI think so far you didn’t understand what Salafi Manhaj is. We Muslims believe that if something very clear from Qur’an and Sunna that is sufficient for a Muslim to understand Islam Deen. We look into the ‘people of best of nation’ to know about their methodology that they used to interpret and understand Qur’an and Sunna. Nowhere either in Qur’an or Sunna said that Muslims all over the world must follow such and such scholars ‘blindly and unconditionally’. Islam has given stringent certain preconditions for every pious and God fearing Muslims while acquiring knowledge from even any ‘big scholars’ as beloved prophet salallahu wa alyi wasalam said obedience only in goodness not in falseness/ evil.
We Muslims believe that there was only one maasoom/infallible i.e. non other than prophet salallahu wa alayi wasalam. Whoever it may be, whether it is x or y or sheik or Masheike, they are not free from mistakes/sin. By keeping all respect to the scholars, if their sayings/actions are found to be contradicted with the Qur’an or Sunna, Muslims who love Allah and His Deen will reject it and accept the truth.
It is not mandatory for Muslims to obey any scholar or even our beloved parents or children if their opinion, views etc are against Qur’an and Sunna. Instead of looking to scholar’s opinion Muslims have to see what Qur’an and Sunna says. But in contrary to the fact Muslims have been blindly following the opinions of Scholars. This is one of the main reasons for the existing Madhabi system among contemporary Muslims. They will accept only the views of their Sheiks but the same time their sheiks are not free from mistakes or infallible. So that, by accepting the views of the sheik in blindly they will adopt their mistakes also in their life. Its consequences may differ depend upon the seriousness of the mistakes of the Sheiks/ scholars (as you seen in Troid). Because of this reason Salafi movement in all over the world urge Muslims to go back to Qur’an and Sunna. Those who want to follow the manhaj of salaf they have to see first what the Qur’an and Sunna said and how did our pious predecessors understand that. Those who follow this methodology/ manhaj to understand Qur’an and Sunna can be called a Salafi. It is not a group of particular people gathered together in a place but you might see them every corner of the world. They could be identified by their methodology in understanding and interpreting Qur’an and Sunna as our pious predecessors had done.
I hope you have presumed the answer regarding the question on scholars. I hereby attach my previous reply to your group member as titled ‘Muslims, Democracy and Manhaju salaf’. Instead of asking which scholar said it, ask in which chapter, verse said it and in which hadith it’s mentioned and did Sahaba understood the same etc. if my views are against any Ahlu Sunna wa jamaah scholars then bring it into my notice. You are most welcome to point out my mistakes, with a great enthusiasm I would correct it Insha’Allah.
May Allah save the Muslim community from every sort of partisanship to any Scholar, organization and strengthen us with useful knowledge.
Mammedutty Nilambur
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Assalaamu Alaykum Wa Rahmatullaah
Fataawa of the Senior Scholars on the CORRECT position with regard to ELECTIONS:
http://aloloom.net/vb/showthread.php?t=2783
Waálaikum salaam wa rahmatullahi wa barakaatuhu,
dear Abdur Rahmaan Malaaibaari,(hope you are either Zubair maulavi or Mohammed Kodiyatoor, Allah knows best)
Thanks for your response to my blog http://pseudosalafees.blogspot.com/ also plz go through the recent fatwa of The Islamic Jurisprudence Council
MAKKAH, 9 November 2007 — The Islamic Jurisprudence Council banned the use of the verses of the Holy Qur’an as ringtones for mobile phones because it impinges on the sacred character of the Muslim Holy Book, the Saudi Press Agency reported yesterday. The council also approved damaging an ovary that could lead to a disabled child, but said that trying to control the sex of a child was strictly prohibited.
The council also encouraged Muslims in the West to participate in elections in non-Muslim countries and play an effective political role, especially if elections brought about public good or prevented social evils.
It said this was the only way for Muslims abroad to secure their rights.
It also encouraged Muslims in the West to integrate into Western societies but cautioned them against adopting any Western habits that are contrary to the principles of Islam.
Those who presented papers included Sheikh Muhammad ibn Abdullah Al-Subeyel, imam of the Grand Mosque. In the concluding session yesterday, the Islamic Jurisprudence Council emphasized that dialogue with non-Muslims supported by well-prepared media programs are essential in confronting anti-Islamic campaigns.
Islamic scholars from various parts of the world, who attended the conference, also called for the upholding of Islamic unity and adherence to the Holy Qur’an and Sunnah (Tradition of the Prophet), while tackling issues affecting Muslim countries such as Iraq , Somalia and Afghanistan .
Barakallah feek
Mammedutty Nilambur
Wat are the main wrong things in zubair mankada group....? pls mail me....moosairshad@gmail.com
Assalamu allaikum, apart from his opinion about organizations , Is thr something else too ? Any hadees rejections? Can anyone list what all deviant thoghts shayk zubair mankada has?
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